tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post5819842518274455780..comments2023-04-11T09:16:50.000-07:00Comments on Moritz's 9th Honors Class Blog: 4th hour Fahrenheit 451 Liveblog Discussion pgs 40-68mmoritzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04499259284746906241noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-56079317634030600812008-10-21T16:42:00.000-07:002008-10-21T16:42:00.000-07:00A lot of good points were made- I think that the f...A lot of good points were made- <BR/>I think that the firemen are allowed to take home a book for 24 hours because a) they may want to know what they are dystroying and b) while some firemen are totally absorbed in the flames and kerosene, some may want to see why these terrible paper things are so hated and shunned. Did Montag have any doubts about his job before Clarisse? Did Beatty have a spell like montag's when he was young, and he doubted his proffesion? Or does he just have experience with dealing with these "lost souls"?<BR/><BR/>Who is the government? Can they think for themselves, are they like some sort of elite group of hand picked scholars, the black sheep in a herd of mindless zombies? Or are they like normal citizens that just claim to be smart....??kelseywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01877658508467307499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-59689618422258696392008-10-20T10:32:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:32:00.000-07:00Mildred is evil. She likes to run over cats and do...Mildred is evil. She likes to run over cats and dogs.Thomasmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417325064917771108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-72190810956963998452008-10-20T10:26:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:26:00.000-07:00I think its near impossible to not encounter some ...I think its near impossible to not encounter some form of censorship in the media today. Unless you go out and make your own movie and hand it out to people, there are going to be some forms of censorship. Such as to see a movie, in school it must be approved by the teachers, at home your parents can censor what you watch. TV stations arent just going to show anything that they want, even in movie theaters R movies are censored from anyone under 17.emmawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784288209120123459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-45377486893000944462008-10-20T10:25:00.005-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.005-07:00Teachers may censor some media and books before th...Teachers may censor some media and books before they are given to the students because they may contain things that are not considered relevant or appropriate. This may be due to what teachers are allowed to say.EvanShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05587294143382896435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-47501786090681653572008-10-20T10:25:00.004-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.004-07:00Ruth---well then who is controlling them???Ruth---well then who is controlling them???ellyfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12846621810779090164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-34536024679653556782008-10-20T10:25:00.003-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.003-07:00We don't have to believe what teacher's tell us li...We don't have to believe what teacher's tell us like in math teachers make mistakes and sometimes they don't catch them but I don't think that we have to believe teachers like Connor said because if we did we would be relying on them and we have to become out own person.katelynmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099591364921572754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-35609523082441412442008-10-20T10:25:00.002-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.002-07:00i think students are always apalled when teachers ...i think students are always apalled when teachers lie to them because they are veiwed as ceridible sources of knowledge.Kc Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12865123420377447690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-68904908560175656442008-10-20T10:25:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.001-07:00Is the government censored from everything like th...Is the government censored from everything like their people? Do they just control everyone and they think for themselves?ruthp2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/12889441671632277568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-78021406178750039332008-10-20T10:25:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:25:00.000-07:00Mrs. Moritz, I do believe that you censor some thi...Mrs. Moritz, I do believe that you censor some things but only to a certain extent. You do not censor everything that you have to in order to get us to think and find the meaning of whatever we are reading, watching, etc.<BR/><BR/>Bronson, I do think teachers are censored because they are not allowed to give their opinions on certain things like religion and everybody has their own beliefs and opinions.SophiaAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723743824098985187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-39245203563936639472008-10-20T10:24:00.002-07:002008-10-20T10:24:00.002-07:00In response to Mrs. Moritz's question-I don't thin...In response to Mrs. Moritz's question-<BR/>I don't think that my teachers lie to me, per se. If there's a fact posed during any class that I don't trust, I look it up, and tell my teacher that I believe that fact to be wrong. This is the advantage of living in this society, where information is free and available to all. (Though, granted, some of this information, due to the rapid propagation of all of it over the internet, is corrupted or blatantly false. *cough cough wikipedia cough* Even so, I don't think that stating things which are believed to be true, but are false, is lying.)<BR/>But I do think that the teachers in Fahrenheit 451, though they aren't lying, per se, as they are probably blinded by the same veil of ignorance that this society as a whole is, but they are likely propagating false facts, due to the government's manipulation of knowledge and information in the world.Jacob WRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684488164744554432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-15320196524258869792008-10-20T10:24:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:24:00.001-07:00Yes you do i think so mrs. moritz. Such as Macbeth...Yes you do i think so mrs. moritz. Such as Macbeth videos you told us violence was coming up and told people to close their eyes. Obviously all the guys payed more attention.Thomasmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417325064917771108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-9889580073915029442008-10-20T10:24:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:24:00.000-07:00I do not think that teachers knowingly lie to us, ...I do not think that teachers knowingly lie to us, but maybe the history they teach isn't completely true. Maybe the truth has been stretched in order to make historical figures look invincible. Like Jacob said, "History is written by the victor", and maybe the government has exaggerated the truth over the years.HunterKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487793129482585871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-3856677137821701932008-10-20T10:23:00.004-07:002008-10-20T10:23:00.004-07:00mmoritz--yeah of course you sensor things. your se...mmoritz--yeah of course you sensor things. your sensoring this blog right now ha. but yeah i mean if there was something extremely innappropriate in this class, of course your going to get rid of it or most likely not bring it in here in the first place. Just like the Macbeth videos, you watched those before you showed them to us.AHOLMES!https://www.blogger.com/profile/15552979934241575344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-85268466641553817862008-10-20T10:23:00.003-07:002008-10-20T10:23:00.003-07:00Our teacher might lie to us, but they shouldn't. ...Our teacher might lie to us, but they shouldn't. If they do, that would be wrong because then everybodyu would be lying, because if we learn something false, we will repeat that to our classmates and be lying to them all because of the teachers.ellyfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12846621810779090164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-8507461676898426622008-10-20T10:23:00.002-07:002008-10-20T10:23:00.002-07:00in responce to mrs. mositz's questions, i think mo...in responce to mrs. mositz's questions, i think most things are not censored at school because while our parents sheild us from certain thing our teacher's jobs is to open up the world to us.Kc Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12865123420377447690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-74993823639870887842008-10-20T10:23:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:23:00.001-07:00That's true, you could lie to make us think, but i...That's true, you could lie to make us think, but it does make us think about things differently. I think that you do censor things, like the Macbeth movies that might have uneccesary violence and other things.ruthp2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/12889441671632277568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-36761783946974384922008-10-20T10:23:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:23:00.000-07:00Maybe thinking is not real. Beatty talks about how...Maybe thinking is not real. Beatty talks about how people dont really think and you get rid of 2 sides and people forget there is war and that philosophy and people take apart a TV and feel like a genius but dont equate the universe while students go to school and learn useless things and become drones.Thomasmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417325064917771108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-34123178200476892932008-10-20T10:22:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:22:00.001-07:00Maybe we tell you lies to get you to think... :) ...Maybe we tell you lies to get you to think... :) Do you think I censor/preview things (text, films, etc) before I give them to you???mmoritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499259284746906241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-77210142331281266952008-10-20T10:22:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:22:00.000-07:00To stare at a screen all day would be so boring. Y...To stare at a screen all day would be so boring. You wouldnt be involved at all because you could just go to sleep and do nothing. You wouldnt even learn because you would zone outtreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133259960312715355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-45640283239191860512008-10-20T10:21:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:21:00.001-07:00Can even the government think for themselves???? ...Can even the government think for themselves???? Or are they being controlled by something greater???ellyfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12846621810779090164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-9717384983097232852008-10-20T10:21:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:21:00.000-07:00I think that govenment is either underestimating t...I think that govenment is either underestimating the citizens of this city, and thinks that their so stupid that they cant handle anything more than this, or government is scared of what people could do with all of the knowledge that they could be giving them. I think it would be more likely the second one because of their burning of the books, city leaders are really just worried about what will happen if the people have too much information.AHOLMES!https://www.blogger.com/profile/15552979934241575344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-63819689190753256872008-10-20T10:20:00.003-07:002008-10-20T10:20:00.003-07:00Beatty also says that people on the highway are go...Beatty also says that people on the highway are going somewhere somewhere nowhere which indicates that people do not know the purpose of anything they do.EvanShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05587294143382896435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-68960477178990448152008-10-20T10:20:00.002-07:002008-10-20T10:20:00.002-07:00I think that everything is pointless in their live...I think that everything is pointless in their lives. As Bronson said it is a pointless society really. You aren't allowed to learn, or think, or do anything other than watch TV(pointless) or play sports(also fun but only for entertainment.)katelynmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099591364921572754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-70019465740115175582008-10-20T10:20:00.001-07:002008-10-20T10:20:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.mmoritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499259284746906241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-43937116542720189372008-10-20T10:20:00.000-07:002008-10-20T10:20:00.000-07:00I don't think that our teachers lie to us! They ma...I don't think that our teachers lie to us! They make us think and tell us how it is.ruthp2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/12889441671632277568noreply@blogger.com