tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post8651562167724173580..comments2023-04-11T09:16:50.000-07:00Comments on Moritz's 9th Honors Class Blog: School of the future...mmoritzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04499259284746906241noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-58033182113713927512008-11-11T15:51:00.000-08:002008-11-11T15:51:00.000-08:00I think that Bradbury's vision of school and teen ...I think that Bradbury's vision of school and teen life is exaggerated, but only to a certain extent. Like Emma W said, teens today participate in reckless activities like the teens in the book, including some that result in death; whether it be in today's world or in Bradbury's idea of today's world. Drugs and alchol lead to a lot of teen deaths, while in the book the kids deliberately killed each other, whether purposefully or not. Murder is still committed today, but people take it much more seriously than people in the book did. Teens in the book learned from watching television and movies all day, while we learn from reading books and listening to teachers talk mostly. There are the occasional times where we are privaleged with watching a movie, but if we were to alwasy learn like that, it would start to get old and kids would gradually lose interest.<BR/><BR/>I would not like to go to a school like Clarisse's. It is really hard for me to sit still while watching a movie, let alone during school. Like most of the others have said, watching a movie in school now is considered a treat, and it would definitely get old after doing so day after day.michelleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830057946423610737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-39366404865234370772008-10-20T16:23:00.000-07:002008-10-20T16:23:00.000-07:00I think that Bradbury's vision is totally not the ...I think that Bradbury's vision is totally not the same as it is today. He views teenagers as reckless and pretty much immature kids. They are allowed to go to these car smashing placing and destruction sights, they go bully and torment younger kids, they are spoon fed information and do not think for themselves, and they basically are growing up in a manner that will keep the country as it is this at this very minute. They sit in front of the t.v. screen for hours just watching a moving picture and it is totally brain washing them. I would not like being a teenager at Clarisse's school at all. I feel that because i am such an opinionated person, and that i can think on my own, that i would get sick of not being able to do what i want, or think what i want to think. I would hate to be in that situation. Bradbury's vision is becoming more and more true as kids are relying on technology and the television for entertainment as opposed to getting outside and doing something healthy and proactive. Other than that his vision is altered by the entire do what your told method because even though those ideas have sort of come true, there is still an element of letting us think for ourselves. Right now, Bradbury's visions are not totally correct and i think that they will not be correct for a long long time.HaileyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07979897949349471811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-53011077383010889052008-10-19T21:40:00.000-07:002008-10-19T21:40:00.000-07:00I would not at all enjoy being a student at Claris...I would not at all enjoy being a student at Clarisse's school, as I would likely be singled out as she had been, due to the reluctance of the preexisting student body to accept anyone who has a thirst to learn, or even anyone from our current society.<BR/><BR/>Partially, Bradbury's vision has come true. He described schools where students simply sit and absorb information, without comprehension of any kind, and as they have not learned the consequences of any actions, due to their only knowing raw facts, they go out and do foolish things.<BR/>One cannot say that students today sit and do not talk to each other at all, and simply absorb facts. They still socialize a great deal. But that is not what Bradbury expected would happen- the silence is only symbolic. The majority of the students are quiet, and the only one that truly wants to learn, Clarisse, is shunned and excluded from the group as a result of her being different, and straying from social norms. Though most teachers today make an effort to help the students learn, there are still schools where information is simply presented to the students, and it is expected of the students to absorb it in the same way as the students do in Fahrenheit 451.<BR/><BR/>As for the foolishness and violence that happens after school, I think that is quite obviously relevant. Though it is not experienced as much at Arapahoe, per se, at places like East high school, gang violence is a strikingly common occurance. My middle school was right next to it, and a disturbingly large number of students' brothers, fathers, cousins, etc. were injured or even killed as a result of gang violence, careless and/or drunk driving, drugs, and dangerous activities such as the ones the students in Fahrenheit participate in.<BR/><BR/>So, I think that in a way Bradbury's vision has come true- the violence is obviously here, and many times, students either absorb raw facts alone due to boredom or disinterest in school, or they have no choice, as that is all that is presented to them.Jacob WRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684488164744554432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-54409526021145799652008-10-19T21:38:00.000-07:002008-10-19T21:38:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jacob WRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02346309587923092615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-800980020559573302008-10-19T20:46:00.000-07:002008-10-19T20:46:00.000-07:00Braudberry describes the teen agers as careless in...Braudberry describes the teen agers as careless individuals with no emotion. They are reckless and seem to get away with it, almost like their behavior has been accepted. The schools themselves are not much better than the teenagers. They mantain a harsh enviorment, that basically trashes the kids brains so they cant think, but so they believe they can think. I would hate being a student their becuase the classes seem very repetitive and boring, also it seems that after school must kids are ready to sleep. His vision has come true somewhat in todays society. Teenagers are part of most accidents on the road, and are much more violent than they used to be. The situation has not escalated to the point where every teenager is involoved in beatings, shootings, or car accidents.connorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15386462091251567429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-71982099255983908592008-10-19T19:30:00.000-07:002008-10-19T19:30:00.000-07:00Brabury shows teenagers as people who are carefree...Brabury shows teenagers as people who are carefree and aren't very educated. So far, that's what practically everyone has said, and I agree too. It seems that teenagers are maniacs in Fahrenheit 451 because they race each other and slaughter each other. Bradbury perceives teenagers as ill-mannered, uneducated, irresponsible freaks. It is kind of like today, where teenagers drive drunk and race each other. It would suck to be a teen at Clarisse's school because it seems none of them have feelings. Some of Bradbury's visions of teens are true because sometimes they are irresponsible, rude, unwise people. However, teens are actually learning things today in school, but a lot of them are involved in sports and seem to neglect school. For teenagers, there are some similarities and differences of how they are portrayed in Bradbury's novel and today. Hopefully, we can all agree that Bradbury's visions of teenagers is mostly an extreme example of teenagers today.anishphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217478957352550793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-63455784705730036882008-10-19T19:10:00.000-07:002008-10-19T19:10:00.000-07:00I think that Bradbury portrays teenagers in his bo...I think that Bradbury portrays teenagers in his book as almost brainwashed. They go to school and watch movies all day, then go and beat each other up afterwards. I agree with many of my classmates in saying that these teenagers are ignorant and violent. The schools aren’t worried about giving the students wisdom, but only knowledge and things to keep them from thinking for themselves. I would hate to be a student at one of these schools because you just go through the motions, without even asking questions as Clarisse explained to Montague. I think that Bradbury’s description has come true on a much smaller scale today, with many teens being concerned only with what benefits them in the short term; whether it be by claiming ignorance or being violent towards others.Ally Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686630097209087025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-17655750263496701842008-10-19T15:07:00.000-07:002008-10-19T15:07:00.000-07:00Ray Bradbury envisions teenagersthat completely la...Ray Bradbury envisions teenagersthat completely lack responsibility and aren't held accountable for anything. They go to school not to learn but because what else would they do? the schools are not really teaching them, just telling them what is acceptable and what isn't. the schools really just occupy the kids during the day and dont tteach them the important values we treasure. i would not enjoy being a teenager at clarisse's school, because i would not fit in. i would be scorned, and like clarisse, i would fear my classmates. and, there would be no books, so no reading, which is horrible. i love to read. Bradbury's vision has come true in the fact that many teenagers are reckless and lack responsibility, and they do some of the things Bradbury says they do in his bokk, but it hasn't escalated to where life isn't valued as by the teenagers of Bradbury's book.Brian Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04138729765581708714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-11530731723649683872008-10-18T16:08:00.000-07:002008-10-18T16:08:00.000-07:00Bradbury's vision of teenagers and schools of the ...Bradbury's vision of teenagers and schools of the future is sort of an extreme and exagerated idea of school now. The students engage in reckless activities, many that result in their death. Instead of active learning they are sat down infront of a viewing screen and have their lesson that way. Teenagers now do engage in reckless activities, such as crazy driving, drugs and alcohol, but none of them are in the open organized way that Bradbury invisioned. I know many students are excited when we get to view a moive in class and sometimes it can be a sucessfull learning tool, but we never have a class taught by hours of watching movies. His vision in a way became true just hasnt reached the level at which he described.<BR/>I would not enjoy being a teenager in Clarisse's school in any way. I believe that having the out in the open reckless activities would completly take out any of the excitement involved. Also death seems a common even whether its suicide or a peer murdering you. I know that highschool isnt always a happy place now but in no way do i feel that my life is at stake here as it would be in Clarisse's school. Also, i don't mind learning, i know that its important even though it isnt my top choice of activities all the time. I think that school would be the most boring thing and i would rather learn than be so bored watching movie after movie.emmawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784288209120123459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-3171254834764310822008-10-15T09:55:00.000-07:002008-10-15T09:55:00.000-07:00In Ray Bradbury's book children of the future are ...In Ray Bradbury's book children of the future are irresponsible, reckless, and violent. He describes their schools as teacher-less, and lessons being taught on TV's. In the book children have become so reliant on technology that they don't socialize any more. Also TV sucked all the morals,and decency out of them to a point that they are killing each other regularly. Although lessons on TV sounds fun, I don't think I would enjoy living in that time, talking to others is a big part of life and I would live in fear of being killed. I think Bradbury's vision is close to coming true but not quite yet. Teens are being killed in car crashes a lot, but we haven't regressed so far as to being taught by TV.HunterKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487793129482585871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-92012988107127577622008-10-15T09:43:00.000-07:002008-10-15T09:43:00.000-07:00I think that Bradbury sees teenagers as wild and ...I think that Bradbury sees teenagers as wild and crazy people that don't care about much and that there is no point in teaching them in school. Teens are the people that are out doing dangerous things and kill each other.He sees school as a place that the teens go and is a place that is used to keep them off of the streets. No and yes, i would like her school because they do almost nothing, and just hang around. on the other hand, I would hate going to school there because they have no chalanges, and are not very social in talking amoungts themselves. his vision has come true because of all of the new technology we have like tv, and cellphones, and computers.Alex Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16469842614244025661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-84836177009001143902008-10-15T09:35:00.000-07:002008-10-15T09:35:00.000-07:00Bradbury portrays kids of the future to not be dis...Bradbury portrays kids of the future to not be disiplined and to be anti-social. The kids in the book kill each other on a daily bases which proves to be not disiplined. They also just sit in front of the screens during school to "learn" which proves that they no longer talk to one another instead they go off in their own world which is being anti-social. This is somewhat true today, kids have formed gangs which kill other kids. They also have all sorts of new types of technology such as cell phones, computers, and T.V. which keeps them from socializing face to face. In a way his vision of the future has come true but not entirely.KyleChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04581615352858895553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-35297254027567796002008-10-15T09:26:00.000-07:002008-10-15T09:26:00.000-07:00I agree with the others responses. The kids in the...I agree with the others responses. The kids in the future do not learn much and do not set their goals high in school. They are careless and seem as though they won't or want to go anywhere in life. The teachers do not teach well and just tell them that something is the way it is because it is and they don't explain how or why. As the author predicted schools would be like, it has not come true. Schools are becoming better and better as we use new tools to teach students. I would not want to be a teenager then because i would not learn anything or go anywhere in life.SophiaAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723743824098985187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-71421643984209781572008-10-15T08:59:00.000-07:002008-10-15T08:59:00.000-07:00In the future, Bradbury predicts students will be ...In the future, Bradbury predicts students will be careless by not thinking of the wellbeing of the friends, and they only learn about sports in their TV classroom. His prediction has not fully come true yet, but it is on its way. In my human behavior class, we learned about underage drinking and there was an interview with some high school students who drink a lot. One time when they were drunk and their own friend past out, they just left her in the car. She could have died. The only difference is that now, if they kill a friend, they feel very sorry. In Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451, kids don’t care when a friend dies. Being a teacher of these students wouldn’t be that bad, because well, personally I like sports, but also because it would be a very much more laid back environment.tim2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/15975584633083279826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-92131158562882959822008-10-15T07:55:00.000-07:002008-10-15T07:55:00.000-07:00In Farenheit 451, teenagers are depicted as violen...In Farenheit 451, teenagers are depicted as violent, emotionless, crazy people. They go speed racing with their cars, they get into brutal fights on school ground, they even shoot one another. When Clarisse was talking to Montag, she says that six of her friends have been shot. She seems to be the only one with emotion, the only one that cares. Schools, as Bradburry described, were very monotonous. all they did was watch movies and then go outside, get in fights, come back insode and watch more movies. His vision has come true, however, in the fact that kids today are violent with eachother but maybe not as violent as he described.mollyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11934094478624854792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-36107436726731002462008-10-15T07:43:00.000-07:002008-10-15T07:43:00.000-07:00Ray Bradbury's vision for pretty much everything, ...Ray Bradbury's vision for pretty much everything, not only for school, is that you don't think. No one thinks. You go to school and get answers, and you don't ask questions so there is no room to think. The teenagers are almost trained to just get the answer and believe that that answer is set in stone anyways so there is no reason to think about it further or argue with it. His vision of teenagers is that they don't think and they kill each other. and if you think about it, they are really directly connected. if you don't think, you can hurt other people. For the teenagers Clarisse said died in a car crash, they were not thinking. they either don't think, ok so can anything happen from me racing? or they just are not thinking when they are driving. its the same as today if you don't think and are not focused when you are driving its easy to get in a crash. I would hate to be a teenager here, one, because if you weren't analyzing stuff and thinking and learning, school would be ridiculously boring, sitting there for however many hours just getting answers shoved down you throat without even asking a question first and, two, i would hate to be a teenager in a time when they run around killing each other.emeraldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02010594322192716185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-23897355927904527082008-10-14T21:57:00.000-07:002008-10-14T21:57:00.000-07:00When Bradbury describes the life of teenage studen...When Bradbury describes the life of teenage students at school, it seems as though the basic fundamentals of teaching, and learning have been thrown out the window. Students absorb useless information through television screens, play sports like baseball, basketball and run, and paint pictures. As far as I know, the above activities really do not require the brain to do an extreme amount of processing or thinking. Not only do the students indulge in bland, basic teachings, but they also destroy properties and abuse their privilege of being able to drive. I would most definitely not want to be a teenager at Clarisse's school. I believe that I should use my brain in as many ways as possible, and I take pride in learning new ideas or concepts. It seems as though her school allowed the new age of technology to take over the students, almost "dumbing down" the power of the human brain. I believe that Bradbury's vision has come true in several aspects. Today, teenagers generally seem to become less interested in school, and more intrigued by the idea of breaking the law and becoming so-called "rebels." Just as teenagers were being killed in Fahrenheit 451, there are also some being killed today. This is mostly due to the fact that many teenagers do not consider the consequences of their actions, and abuse the privileges they are given, like driving. The number of deaths in America, per year, is mostly composed of teenage drivers who died in car accidents. As sad as this is, Ray Bradbury was correct in his vision of the future. He must have thought that teenagers would become less dependent on their own brains, and more dependent on the technology around them.nicoleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347232542356126472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-34794820910986970852008-10-14T21:41:00.000-07:002008-10-14T21:41:00.000-07:00Ray Bradbury says that without thought, humans bec...Ray Bradbury says that without thought, humans become hooligans. More specifically, teenagers become reckless and more than that, destructive even of human lives. When the mind goes idle, so do morals, so do values, so do the common decencies that in Bradbury's time were taken somewhat for granted. <BR/><BR/>Bradbury also describes an impersonal schooling system. A system so completely digitalized that it eliminates human interaction. Bradbury says in this passage that when you eliminate the humanity, you eliminate questions, the capacity of the human mind to think and inquire, the only thing left to do is go bash things in. The higher pleasures are tossed out the window and so the base pleasures are eagerly embraced.<BR/><BR/>I would despise going to that school. I believe the best way to learn is to ask questions, to discuss, to share ideas, to wonder, and finally to look upon our world in awe. It's when you realize the world's virtues that you can start making judgments on improving it. That school is just like the machines: pump out, pump in. It destroys life.<BR/><BR/>Bradbury's vision is not coming true. If there is one thing I appreciate about modern schooling systems is the endeavor to get students to think. No matter what our other complaints are as students, this we must value and appreciate and most of all not take for granted: we are encouraged to think for ourselves.jonathankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15468770560623168795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-78395483632418949142008-10-14T20:30:00.000-07:002008-10-14T20:30:00.000-07:00Ray Bradbury seems to pull the bad characteristics...Ray Bradbury seems to pull the bad characteristics out of teenagers and make those their only characteristics in the book. He portrays them as violent, clueless, and ignorant. All of the real education has been removed from the school system. I do not think i would enjoy her school because history is my least favorite subject and I don't usually enjoy watching movies that much because they make me sleepy. The sports part might be OK, but after a while the whole thing would get really old. Bradbury's vision has come true a little in the sense that today's teenagers have become a little tv and violence crazed.kyleeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02670186379437734246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-25672082414213358062008-10-14T20:28:00.000-07:002008-10-14T20:28:00.000-07:00frucci is actually Paul Friedrich. I didn't sign o...frucci is actually Paul Friedrich. I didn't sign out of my sisters blogging account so it isn't my name.miss amihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04853967846228070637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-77376435657815132022008-10-14T20:26:00.000-07:002008-10-14T20:26:00.000-07:00Bradbury's vision of school in the future is that ...Bradbury's vision of school in the future is that all information that could potentially portray the government in a negative image will be censored out. I agree with Ruthp. I think that Bradbury views teenagers as irresponsible and very easy to control. While that may be true for some teens, I think that intelligent teenagers like to think for themselves and be independent. Bradbury also thinks teens are prone to violence and reckless. This aspect of his vision is true because on the nightly news I always hear about dying young people because they were either violent or reckless. <BR/><BR/>I think that Bradbury's vision for the school systems has not come true. I feel that we still learn about controversial subjects unlike in Clarisse's school where all that they learn is history and athletics. In a different sense though Bradbury's vision has come true. Often times we are told how to think and how to arrive at decisions. This year my teachers are trying to get away from that but in middle and elementary school Bradbury's vision was very accurate.<BR/><BR/>I think that being a teenager at Clarisse's school would be fun at first with all the athletics and TV but eventually would become mind numbing. I enjoy all the debating that occurs in History and English class and without it school would be quite dull.miss amihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04853967846228070637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-68686893610527400922008-10-14T20:17:00.000-07:002008-10-14T20:17:00.000-07:00Bradbury's vision of teenagers are very violent, d...Bradbury's vision of teenagers are very violent, disrespectful, and closed-minded individuals. Teenagers in his vision don't seem to enjoy life and they don't take time to enjoy the good things that are in the world. I would not want to be a teenager in his vision because they are ignorant and I would not enjoy being an ignorant person. Also, teenagers in his vision get involved in many fights and acts of violence which I would not like. In a way, his vision has come true due to the fact that there are school shootings but I feel like his vision hasn't entirely come true because although he thinks that all teenagers are violent individuals and there are many good teenagers in the world today. Bradbury sort of steriotypes teenagers.ThomasLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145210563491117875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-18954338540885749102008-10-14T19:45:00.000-07:002008-10-14T19:45:00.000-07:00Alright. Well Bradbury's vision of teenagers is vi...Alright. Well Bradbury's vision of teenagers is violent and reckless like many other people said. They see wrecking cars as a common passtime and have mostly athletic classes with history as the only academic part. Bradbury's vision has DEFINITELY come true in some places of the country and world. Take Detroit for example. 8 mile is a dividing line. Everybody on the north side hate everybody on the south side. gangs fight each other all the time and kill people frequently too. Who makes up the gangs? teenagers. They even go and wreck the other sides cars too just because they hate each other. Street races also happen all over the country. Those guys are driving at high speeds and some get killed in the process. Just because there isnt bad stuff happening here in centennial CO, doesnt mean it is not anywhere else either. I would be fine going to clarisse's school. I wouldnt like it as much as here, but it wouldnt be a terrible thing to go to.BlakeShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17803915355626394415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-47679555886568817392008-10-14T19:44:00.000-07:002008-10-14T19:44:00.000-07:00Bradbury describes the teenagers who are the same....Bradbury describes the teenagers who are the same. They do the same things everyday in a monotonous routine. And if a person goes missing, so what, their are many more that are exactly like them. I would enjoy the sports part of it, but sitting in front of a tv for 4 hours a day would kill me. I also would not like not being able to actually talk and socialize with my friends because what fun is it to hang out with friends if you aren't talking and becoming closer. It is becoming very close, because after some school days we are so tired, all we can do is just go sleep or watch the tv.Paulhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02357594331991896644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4745090765992596537.post-14136245269789326482008-10-14T19:40:00.000-07:002008-10-14T19:40:00.000-07:00I agree with elaine. Bradbury doesn't seem to thi...I agree with elaine. Bradbury doesn't seem to think that teenagers can think for themselves. They love cars especially drag racing. He thinks that the school isn't making them any smarter. He thinks that the school is giving all the answers without the kids thinking about different possibilites of an answer. I would definatly not fit in at Clairisse's school because I would probably be her friend and we would be outsiders. What Bradbury sees has come true. Everybody has to have the latest technology and if you dont you are just plain weird. In the schools today, teacher do sometimes give you the answers. For example, my science teacher tells us to get notes offline and that is our homework. We dont learn at all, just do what she tells us to do. We dont really get to understand what the notes are on. That is how the school is with Clairisse.ellyfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12846621810779090164noreply@blogger.com